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Srila Prabhupada's Lectures in Mauritius
Arrival Address given by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
in Mauritius on October 1, 1975.
The body is superficial: the first lesson of spiritual understanding
cakshur unmilitam yena
tasmai sri-gurave namah
The Krishna consciousness movement is completely different from any ordinary movement. This is a spiritual movement. This movement begins when one understands that he is not this body. We are under the bodily concept of life. Ninety-nine percent people think that one is this material body. But that is not the fact. The fact is that within this body there is the spirit soul. The example is given in the Bhagavad-gita(Bg) that because the spirit soul is there within the body, therefore the body is changing from childhood to boyhood, from boyhood to youth hood, then middle-aged, then old man. Thus the body is changing. But if the child is born dead, or without the soul, then the body does not change. We have got practical experience. A dead child, if you preserve the body, it will not grow. So long as the soul is there, the body changes. Within the womb of the mother, the child, the embryo, grows daily. Why ? Because the soul is there. So this Krishna consciousness movement is to first of all understand this fact, that the body is superficial. Just like you are dressed with your shirt and coat, this shirt and coat is not as important as the person who is putting on the shirt and coat. Unfortunately, modern education is giving stress on the outward, external body or to the dress and not to the soul. They do not understand who is the person dressed with or who has got this body. This is the first lesson of spiritual understanding. In the Bhagavad-gita you will find, this is the first instruction:
dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
dhiras tatra na muhyati
The whole world is under the bodily concept of life, even in the greatest nations. Just like your prime minister has gone to the United Nations. There are many big men in the United Nations. They speak, and they are speaking for the last thirty years. The United Nations is existing, but they could not find any solution to the problems of life because they are missing the basic principle; they do not know who they really are. Every one of them is thinking on the bodily platform: "I am an Indian," "I am an American," "I am German," and "I am a Englishman," like that. Therefore there is no solution because the basic principle is wrong. Unless we understand what is wrong, what is the active principle of the body, then the problems cannot be solved. Just like if you cannot diagnose one's disease, simply by symptomatic treatment you cannot make the man healthy. That is not possible.
So our Krishna consciousness movement is not based on the bodily concept of life. It is a movement on the basic principle of the soul-what is the soul; what is the soul's necessity; how the soul can become peaceful and happy. Then everything will be all right. The same example, that if you are healthy, it doesn't matter what kind of dress you are putting on; you will feel happy. But if you are diseased and if your dress is very nice, that will not give you any happiness. Because you have got a very nice dress and you are diseased, suffering from some pains, the dress will not give you happiness. You must be healthy. Then it doesn't matter, whatever dress you are putting on. In any circumstances, you will feel happiness. This is the basic principle of our Krishna consciousness movement. You must try to understand whether you are this body or something beyond this body. This is to be understood. Anyone who is thoughtful, he can understand by a little thought, that if you study your body, you will never say "I body." You will say, "My body." You study your finger; you will say, "It is my finger." You will never say, "I finger." We say, "My head, my hand." Then who is that "my" or "I"? That is the subject matter of proper thought. If we do not find out what is that "I", then? On the basis of "I," I am thinking "I am my body, my head, my leg." But it is not a fact. If you think a little, you will find that you are not this body. You are different from this body. And as soon as we understand that "I am different from this body," then the business will be "How I shall be happy?" not "How my dress will be nice?"
So the Krishna consciousness movement is a very important movement. We are inviting all intelligent persons, the leaders of the society, to understand the basic principle of this movement. And if the leaders of the society lead the people in the proper channel on the basic principle of spiritual life, then everything will be solved. Everyone will be happy. These instructions are there in the Bhagavad-gita, very elaborately explained. Simply we have to follow those instructions. It is not at all difficult. Then all the questions-social problem, political problem, economical problem, religious problem-everything will be nicely solved. We are presenting, therefore, Bhagavad-gita as it is. And you can take any question, the answer is very nicely given in the Bhagavad-gita. Just like, say, our first problem may be an economic problem. So the Bhagavad-gita says, "Yes. Economic problem will be solved very easily if you produce food grains. Annad bhavanti bhutani. You produce food grains. Just like in your country I see there is enough land. If you people produce your own food grains, within three months you can get all the necessities of life for the whole year. And the balance time, nine months, you can save. These nine months you can utilize for advancing in spiritual life, because your life, this human form of life, it is distinct from the cats' and dogs' lives. The cats and dogs cannot understand what the basic principle of life is. But a human being can understand. If he takes a little care, he can understand that his problem of life is due to misunderstanding, accepting this body as self. This is the problem.
So we advise, according to Bhagavad-gita: "Make your life very simple, by plain living, but your thinking should be very high." Simple living and high thinking. So high thinking is that "I am the soul. I am not this body. I am eternal. I am only changing bodies. And due to the change of body I am suffering." For this reason, the shastra says,
yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke
sva-dhih kalatradishu bhauma ijya-dhih
yat tirtha-buddhih salile na karhicit
janeshv abhijneshu sa eva go-khara
Everyone is living on the bodily concept of life. Yasyatma-buddhih sharire, kunape tri-dhatuke means this body is actually a bag. So long as the soul is there, it is useful. As soon as the soul is no longer there, it is nothing but a bag of skin and bones. That's all. Everyone knows it. It is disposed of. It has no value. So actually the body is a material bag made of blood, skin, nails, bones, urine and stool. These are the ingredients of this body. If you think that the body is the self, then you could create with these ingredients another soul. If you analyze this body, what are the ingredients? You will find some blood, some veins, some bones, some skin, some urine, some stool and some secretion. So they are all readily available. So why don't you take all these ingredients and create another soul? They are available anywhere. But that is not possible. The big, big chemists, big, big scientists, they are trying to create life or living entities. Their theory is: "By chemical evolution there is living symptoms." But it is not possible. The soul is different from these material elements. The soul is different from the material elements. In the Bhagavad-gita you will find that, first of all, the material elements have been described.
Bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh
kham mano buddhir eva ca
ahankara itiyam me
bhinna prakritir ashthadha
Apareyam itas tv anyam
prakritir viddhi me param
yayedam dharyate jagat
(Bg 7.4 & 5)
Jiva-bhuta, the living entity, is completely different from matter. So we must understand this philosophy. Philosophy means the science of sciences. Philosophy is not mental speculation. Philosophy is the prime science from which all other sciences are derived. That is philosophy. So our Krishna consciousness movement is trying to educate people in this science of sciences; to understand first of all "What are you? Are you this body or different from this body ?" That is essential. And if you go on constructing your body like a big building on a defective foundation, then it will not stand. There will be danger. So our modern civilization is based on this defective idea that "I am this body." "I am Indian," "I am American," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "I am Christian"-these are all bodily concepts of life. "Because I have got this body from a Christian father and mother, therefore I am a Christian”. But I am not this body. "Because I have got this body from a Hindu father and mother, therefore I am Hindu." But I am not this body. So for spiritual understanding, this is the basic principle to understand, that "I am not this body; I am a soul," aham brahmasmi. This is the Vedic instruction: "Try to understand that you are spirit soul; you are not this body." The yoga system is practiced just to understand this. Yoga indriya samyamah; to control the senses, especially the mind, that is yoga. Mind is the master or the chief of the senses.Manah-shashthanindriyani prakriti-sthani karshati (Bg. 15.7). We are undergoing a struggle for existence with the mind and the senses under the false conception of identifying this body as self. So if we concentrate our mind by controlling the senses, then we can gradually understand this. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pashyanti yam yoginah (Srimad Bhagavatam 12.13.1). The yogis meditate upon the Supreme Person, Vishnu, and by that process they realize the self. Self-realization is the prime object of human life. So the beginning of self-realization is to understand that "I am not this body; I am spirit soul." Aham brahmasmi.
So these things are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gita. If we simply read Bhagavad-gita carefully, under proper guidance, then everything will be very clear, without any difficulty, that "I am not this body, I am spirit soul. My business is different than this bodily concept of life. I shall never be happy accepting this body as self. That is a wrong foundation of knowledge." In this way, if we make progress, then we shall understand, aham brahmasmi: "I am spirit soul." Then wherefrom I have come? Everything is described in the Bhagavad-gita, about the spirit soul. Krishna says, the Lord says, mamaivamsho jiva-bhutah: (Bg. 15.7) "These living entities, they are My part and parcels, fragments, or minute sparks." As the big fire and the small fire, both of them are fire, but big fire and small fire are not equal. So far the fire quality is concerned; God and we are the same. So we can understand, we can study God by studying ourselves. That is another meditation. But it will be perfect when we understand that "Although qualitatively I am a sample of God or of the same quality, but still, He is the great, I am the small." That is perfect understanding. Anu, vibhu; brahman, parabrahman; ishvara, parameshvara– that is perfect understanding. Because I am qualitatively one, it does not mean that I am the Supreme.
In the Vedas it is said, nityo nityanam chetanas chetananam. We are nitya, eternal; God is also eternal. We are living beings; God is also a living being. But He is the chief living being; He is the chief eternal. We are also eternal, but we are not chief. Why ? Eko yo bahunam vidadhati Kaman. Just like we all require a leader, similarly, He is the supreme leader. He is the maintainer. He is providence. He is providing everyone's necessities. We can see that there are elephants in Africa. Who is providing them food? Or the millions of ants? So next question will be, "Then what is our function?" When we understand our relationship with God, which is called sambandha, then the relationship is established and understood properly. Just like in Christian religion they go to the church. Or every religion, generally, people go to a temple, a church, or a mosque to pray, to offer prayers to the Supreme, and generally we ask for our necessities of life, because, eko yo bahunam vidadhati Kaman: He is supplying all the necessities. But in higher understanding, He is already supplying our necessities, so why shall I bother Him for supplying these necessities? He is already supplying without asking. The ants and the elephants, they do not go to the church asking God, "Oh, give us our daily bread," but still, they are getting. Then the next question is that "What is our duty ?" Our duty is to feel obliged to God and try to serve Him. That is our duty. Just like a child, when he is unable to move or to work, the parents, the father, supplies everything. But, when a child is grown up, if he thinks, as a young man, that, "Father has given us so much service. Now we shall give service," that is perfection. That is wanted. Therefore Krishna says, mam ekam sharanam vraja. (Bg 18.66).
At the present moment we are taking so many supplies from God, but we are not eager to serve Him. This is our position. Eko yo bahunam vidadhati Kaman. He is supplying us everything. We require light; there is the sunlight. We require water; there are oceans of water. Who has created this? We require these things, and God has created them. He has given us enough. Purnam idam purnam adah purnat purnam udachyate(Ishopanishad, Invocation). Everything is complete. Ishavasyam idam sarvam. Everything is completely arranged by the Supreme Lord. Tena tyaktena bhunjitha. So we should be cognizant how we are benefited by the Supreme Personality of Godhead and what is our duty. Our duty is to serve God. That is our duty. Hrishikesha-hrishikena sevanam bhaktir ucyate (Chaitanya Charitamrita. Madhya 19.170). We are taking so much service, and have already taken. Now, when we are grown up as human beings, then we should serve God. This is the instruction we get from Bhagavad-gita, how Arjuna in the beginning was declining to serve Krishna on consideration of his bodily attachment, but at the end he decided, "No, it is my duty to serve Krishna, not to serve my senses." And that is the instruction of Bhagavad-gita. Similarly, when we actually become self-realized and agree to serve the Supreme Lord; that is perfection. Then another point is that the Lord is perfect. He does not require our service, but if we are engaged in His service, that is our healthy condition. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body. Now I am asking this finger, "Keep this position. Move like this." This is the healthy condition of the finger. But if I want to take service from the finger in some way but if the finger cannot serve me, this means unhealthy condition. Similarly, when we do not serve God, then that is our unhealthy condition. That is the material condition. At the beginning of Kali-yuga, there was a big meeting in Naimisharanya, India. All the great learned sages and brahmanas were present, and the resolution was passed,
atah pumbhir dvija-shreshtha
O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead. (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.13)
This is perfection of life. If you want perfection of life, then try to satisfy God, Krishna. Samsiddhir hari-toshanam.
So our Krishna consciousness movement is teaching this conclusion of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam that if you want perfection of life, then try to satisfy the Supreme Lord. This is the conclusion. So about this, you can make some question if you like. If there is any question, you can ask.
Devotee: You explained that the active force is the spirit soul, and this is what is causing the body to move about, to eat and develop. If this is the active force, then at what stage are the activities of the soul realized as distinct from the activities of the body?
Prabhupada: Oh, that is not very difficult. When the soul is gone, there is no activity of the body. Where is the difficulty to understand? So long as the soul is there within the body, the body is acting. As soon as the soul has left, it is no longer acting. It is very easy to understand. Why the body was moving one moment before, acting very nicely, but as soon as the soul is gone, it is a dead body? That's all. Finished. It is lump of matter. What is the difficulty?
Devotee: Does the self-realized soul experience the actions?
Prabhupada: Anyone can experience. The body is active so long the soul is there. It doesn't require much intelligence. Simply one can understand: what is the difference between the dead body and the living body. Living body means there is the soul, and dead body means there is no more soul. Father dies; the son is crying, "Oh, my father has gone." "Oh, where your father has gone? He is lying on the bed. Don't you see?" "No, no, he is gone. He is now dead." So that means I never saw my father, I saw his body only. Now I realize, "My father has gone." That is my ignorance that I do not know who my father is; I do not know who my son is. But on this false understanding we are going on. When the father dies or the son dies, we cry, "Oh, my son is gone," "My father is gone." "And where is your father gone? He is lying on the bed." "No, no, he is gone." And then we realize. It is very difficult to understand?
Indian guest: When the body dies, the body is finished, but what about the soul?
Prabhupada: Soul enters another body. Tatha dehantara-praptih. That is the misunderstanding of the modern civilization. They do not know that the soul is eternal, that it is changing different bodies, and that there are 8,400,000 different forms of bodies. According to his desire, he is entering another body. Karanam guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-janma-yonishu (Bg 13.22). As he is associating with or he is being infected by the different modes of material nature, he is getting a next life with another body....maybe as a big king or as a big minister or the body of an ant, as soon as you accept this material body, then suffering is there. So if you want to be happy, then this human form of body is the opportunity. Don't waste this human form of body like the cats and dogs. The cats and dogs, they cannot understand that he is not this body, he is spirit soul, but a human being can understand. There are so many books of knowledge, and so many self-realized persons. So if anyone wants to understand what he is, he can understand in this human form of body. So if we take this opportunity, then we make the solution: no more accepting a body.
janma karma me divyam
yo janati tattvatah
tyaktva deham punar janma
naiti mam eti kaunteya
One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My
eternal abode, O Arjuna. (Bg. 4.9)
The solution is here. You try to understand Krishna. Then you will not have to accept any more material bodies. A simple thing. The Krishna consciousness movement is for enlightening people. It doesn't matter what is ones nationality or what is ones religion. Simply you try to understand God, or Krishna; then your life is successful. Don't waste time. Don't waste your valuable life. Try to understand God. Then your life is success. All right, have kirtan.
A morning walk conversation with His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada in Mauritius on the 5th October 1975
Srila Prabhupada gives, in the transcription of the conversation below, very important instructions regarding the establishment of ISKCON farming communities and on holding regular pandal preaching programs in the towns and villages around the island.
Prabhupada: You read my books thoroughly and you explain them either in English or Hindi, as you think befitting to your friends. So we have got so many literatures in the French language also. We are also asking for some men (devotees) from Europe. That will create some impression. Yes. “White elephants”. (laughter) Dancing. Everyone will purchase a ticket. Yes. Bring some white elephants. So literature is there. But one thing is that you must be sadachara, well behaved. So you have to sacrifice, especially your long hair. And if you sacrifice your hair, we can export it and get some money. (laughter) Because in western countries they want these hairs to make wigs. Yes. So just like these devotees, as they have been trained up to rise early in the morning, this will give you spiritual strength. If you simply become a gramophone speaker, then it will not be effective. Gramophone or tape recorder speaker, that will not be effective. You must be a lively speaker. Your living condition should be spiritually surcharged. So that means you must be trained up how to rise early in the morning, take your bath, cleanse yourself, chant Hare Krishna mantra. Then you will be spiritually strong. When you are spiritually strong, if you speak something on spiritual subject matter, then it will be effective. Otherwise it will be just like tape recorder playing. So this is required.
And gradually, when you are behaving well, then you shall be initiated to chant Hare Krishna mantra. That will give you strength, spiritual power. Strictly observe the regulative principles-no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling. It is very simple. Read these literatures, chant Hare Krishna mantra, and observe these regulations. Then you will become gradually powerful. Your speeches will be effective. People will like you.
Guest: Now the programme in the village, Swamiji, how to...
Prabhupada: Village... Just like you acquire some land. That you will get. It is not very... Is it difficult?
Guest: No, sir.
Prabhupada: Just as we are doing in so many places. So you produce your own food grains, not for making money but just for feeding yourself and the animals, cows. Keep as many cows as possible, produce grains by tilling the ground or field, and arrange for water supply. If investment is required, we shall give that. You need have no worry about investment. We shall bring money from elsewhere. But the work must be done very nicely. There must be good arrangement for water supply, for ploughing and for keeping the cows in order. Then you’ll get sufficient milk and sufficient food grains and can produce your own cloth. The girls and ladies, they can spin thread, and from the thread you make cloth with handlooms. Solve your first necessities of life; eating, and make a little cottage for sleeping... And if you want sex, get yourself married, live peacefully. So the first necessity is how to eat and how to cover. That you have to provide. That is not difficult. You can do it. And then you become peaceful, no anxiety for your maintenance. Then cultivate this spiritual knowledge. Have a temple there. Go on chanting, offering prashadam. You will have your own food grains. Don't be dependent on anyone else. Become self-sufficient and don't be after money. Simply produce your bare necessities of life. Keep yourself fit, strong. Chant Hare Krishna and read books. Then you'll grow strong. Is there any difficulty?
Ramoo: No, Swamiji.
Guest: To bring more people in our movement...
Prabhupada: More people should be trained up. Just like I went and started alone in Europe and America. So I have trained them. So it will depend on your training power, the more people will be attracted. If you advertise, "Come here," and if you have no power to attract them, then it will not be effective. You must be spiritually attractive to bring them. You must behave yourself nicely. Then people will come. If you become purified, then naturally they will come. Just like if you prepare nice preparations with pure ghee, customers will be naturally attracted and they will pay and purchase. And if you prepare rubbish things, one man may be cheated, but that will not be attractive for the general public. Purity is required. That will attract. . Param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan - Bhagavad-gita 10.12. One must be pure. Then he will be able to attract. So if they see practically that "These people are very happy; they have no anxiety," then they will be attracted. Is it not? What is the difficulty? But if you want brothels, night club dancing, wine and meat-eating, then it is spoiled. It becomes impure. To become pure is not at all difficult. Rather, to become impure, that is difficult. But people, with all these difficulties, they are becoming impure. Otherwise the idea which I am giving, you can start anywhere, in any part of the world. Locally you produce your own food. You get your own cloth. Have sufficient milk and vegetables. Chant Hare Krishna. This is Vedic civilization: plain living, high thinking. And poor thinking, poor in thought, poor in behaviour, and living with motorcar and this or that nonsense - it is all nonsense civilization. A first-class Rolls Royce car, and who is sitting there? A third-class man. This is going on. You'll find these things in Europe and America. This is going on. A first-class car and a third-class man. That's all. Is it not?
Guest: Car is a necessity, Swamiji, don't you think so? Car is a necessity.
Prabhupada: Not necessary. What is the use of a car? If you can locally get everything, your basic necessities, then where is the need of a car? If you require a car, you can have a bullock cart. That's all. Why should you hanker after petrol, oil, machine, this, that, so many things. Why?
Guest: But don't you think that it would be impossible for you to come here?
Prabhupada: No, no. So long it is available; we must take the best advantage. That is another thing. But gradually we shall develop a society that all these unnecessary rubbish things should be rejected. That is the idea. Or those who are interested, let them manufacture car; and we shall take advantage. We don't bother ourselves how to manufacture car. Ajagara-vritt-Vedanta Sutra. Ajagara means the snake. So a mouse makes a hole in the field to live very peacefully. So a snake gets the information and he comes, enters the hole. The snake eats the mouse and lives peacefully. So let this rascal manufacture motorcar. When we require, we take from them and ride away. We are not going to manufacture. There will always be some rascals. Let them do that, mouse business. We enter as snake. (laughter) That's all. We are doing that. I did not manufacture this house, but somebody, some mouse, has done. (laughter) And we have entered it, that's all. That's all. This is going on all over the world.
You know George Harrison? He has earned money with so great hard labour, and he has given us a house in London, fifty-five lakhs worth. Another boy, Alfred Ford, he's the great grandson of Mr. Henry Ford. He has given. He is giving still money. He is prepared to help with all his money. So those who are after money, material things, we have to induce them that "Spend for me," that's all, and let him earn. So far we are concerned; we shall live very simple life, simply in Krishna consciousness. That is brahmana. A brahmana does not construct a big, big house. He simply constructs his character, and the other kshatriyas (ruling class) and vaishyas (mercantile class), they offer him, "Please come here and sit down." Therefore the division is there. One who is unable to become a brahmana, let him become kshatriya. If he cannot become kshatriya, let him become a vaishya. Otherwise let him remain a shudra, (servant). But there should be an ideal class. So we are trying to create an ideal society of brahmanas. Then people will be benefited. And if everyone is a shudra or rascal, then how people will be benefited? They do not know how to live. The brahmanas will give idea, "Live like this. You will be happy."
Ramoo: Swamiji, I propose one thing: To influence people more and more in the villages.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is the attraction, villagers.
Ramoo: Yes. We should go there and live with them for...
Prabhupada: Yes. I have already suggested that you take land and be an ideal community.
Ramoo: No, if we don't get land, Swamiji. I would suggest if, for example, one week, three or four days, to stay…
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Very good idea, very good idea.
Ramoo: That would be mercy to make the people conscious. And then again and again have here a same thing and then they would be influenced.
Prabhupada: Good idea. It is a very good idea. So in the village, if these people, my foreign disciples, go, they cannot do anything because they cannot speak in Hindi.
Ramoo: No, we should be there to organize. We will be there to organize.
Prabhupada: Yes. If you organize, then that will be nice.
Ramoo: For example, I propose to tell the people to organize a Bhagavad-gita class in English, because Swamiji speaks English.
Prabhupada: They can understand English?
Prabhupada: Then do it. Then we have got English edition books. French edition also... You can speak in French and explain. Or he can speak in English.
Ramoo: Yes. We can stay in a village for about seven or eight days, so that every night, for example, as we do it here, we can do it in a village.
Prabhupada: So if you can organize like that, then I will come personally. I will come and encourage you.
Ramoo: I can organize it, Swamiji. There are many people who would like to see you, to talk to you, and to hear... Not only you but to all the swamijis (devotees).
Prabhupada: Yes. So if you think so, then I can come back again.
Ramoo: Yes, Swamiji. Do you want me to, not only one, but if you want me to organize when you come...
Srila Prabhupada talking to Ramoo.
Prabhupada: Yes. My point is, if necessary, I can also come. I can go into the villages.
Ramoo: If you spent at least one month in this country, Swamiji, I could...
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Whenever you will say. If you say, I can stay just now one month.
Prabhupada: Yes. I can stay.
Ramoo: Yes, I may organize something in the villages. Then I will bring you there.
Prabhupada: I am going to Johannesburg today. If you think that my presence will be beneficial, then after a week I can come back.
Ramoo: Yes, Swamiji.
Prabhupada: This is a very good programme. Very good.
Ramoo: I shall tell them. There are many youngsters.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. So if you think my presence will be very beneficial, then after one week I shall come back. Our life is dedicated for this purpose. Anukulyena krishnanushilanam. Wherever there is opportunity, take advantage of it. That is our mission. Little fanning to make it a fire. That is our mission. I welcome all these suggestions from you. Now you be serious and do it. If you like, I shall come back after a week.
Ramoo: Yes. I have contacted two presidents of villages. For example, there is a village known as L'Escalier.
Prabhupada: And we have no distinction that "He is Hindu. He is Muslim. He is Christian." No. Everyone is welcome to take this culture, education. We have no such sectarian view. No.
Devotee: Excuse me. Your idea is a programme similar to what we've done or been doing previously?
Ramoo: No, Swamiji. Previously you have been only going one day in a village. Only one day means two hours or so. People are influenced...
Prabhupada: Once or continual. Yes. That is required.
Ramoo: Yes. A continual program.
Prabhupada: "Knock, knock, knock, and the door will open." That philosophy.
Ramoo: They have been briefly in the villages with books and doing sankirtan in the street. That is very good. But it...
Prabhupada: Yes. Do sankirtan. The villagers will join.
Ramoo: But at the same time, if we collect all the people together and put them in one place and talk to them every day, continually for seven days or eight days...
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. It is possible. These are all practical proposals. There is nothing impossible.
Ramoo: Yes. Don't you think so, Swamiji? I have proposed...
Pusta Krishna: Pandals?
Ramoo: Yes. We may build pandals also. That will be...
Prabhupada: Pandal or no pandal. You can sit in an open place. There is no harm.
Chyavana: We can build a pandal in one day and put it up.
Prabhupada: In villages we can sit down underneath a tree. That is a natural pandal. Why should you unnecessarily spend money? Just cleanse the ground and sit down. That's all. Make everything simplified.
Ramoo: If it's raining there, Swamiji. Rainy days.
Prabhupada: Yes. Rainy days
Ramoo: For that we need pandals.
Prabhupada: Krishna is giving you intelligence. Think it over, and Krishna will give you intelligence.
Ramoo: Don't you think it would be good if you come here and you call people, youngsters, for example, those who are interested in the Vedic culture, to come here, or any place, for about seven days or eight days to stay with you and to learn what you have to say.
Pusta Krishna: Like a camp.
Ramoo: Like a camp, yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. They are welcome.
Ramoo: At least in every village you will get one young man who will join.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yes. Very good suggestions. Immediately accepted. Oh, yes. I will speak only to selected young men, and they will join. Yes. That is wanted.
Ramoo: And it will be easier for us to go to their village.
Ramoo: They would guide us.
Prabhupada: That is very good suggestion.
Ramoo: When do you think that you could do it?
Prabhupada: Yes. I can immediately begin. Yes.
Pusta Krishna: I can give you our address in Johannesburg, and you can write a letter trying to organize it.
Prabhupada: How long it takes to go from here?
Pusta Krishna: It's just a few hours. Johannesburg letter would only take two, three days.
Prabhupada: So you keep the address and be in correspondence.
Pusta Krishna: Best if everything is set up beforehand, so when Prabhupäda comes it is already organized.
Ramoo: Yes. We can put it in the newspaper.
Prabhupada: But one thing you must be assured that if you can introduce this Krishna consciousness movement, everyone will be happy. Rest assured. That's a fact.
Ramoo: Because if you go to the villages...
Prabhupada: Everyone will be happy. Men and animals, everyone will be happy. Even the trees and plants, they will become happy.
Pusta Krishna: We could have big sankirtan parties in the villages here too.
Brahmananda: How is it that the trees and plants will be happy?
Prabhupada: Because they will hear Hare Krishna. Not only trees and plants. The insects and everyone, they will have the opportunity of hearing Hare Krishna. That will give benefit.
Ramoo: If so, Swamiji, here itself we can organize it. For example, we are getting holidays in November, school holidays, twenty-first November. So we can put it in the newspaper that "Those who are interested, young people from fifteen or twenty to thirty or forty, these people can send their letters and they can come. So we can answer them through newspaper, also radio, through TV, so that they would come...
Prabhupada: Yes. If you do organize, then I shall stay. It is very good programme. Let us give it some shape with your good cooperation. So Krishna is giving you intelligence. He is giving so nice a programme. So do it practically.
Ramoo: And we can conquer out there.
Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Param vijayate sri-krishna-sankirtanam. Sri-krishna-sankirtanam is so powerful that it will conquer. It will be victorious. So I am very glad to meet you. And do this program. And if you like, I shall come back after a week and do. Utilize me in this way, I shall be very glad. That's all right.
Devotee: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krishna.